More on Laurean
Based on a thing or two I know I can’t report, I would expect him back in Onslow County much sooner that later.
Everyone is talking about the impending media circus, but I don’t see it. Laurean’s 1st appearance in court will be important and we might see a few extra reports for that, but then there will be a long time of nothing.
Now when a jury is being selected and the trial set to start, look out!
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This is great news on all levels. I hope the process of negotiation with Mexico is revealed to us, I wonder if the current political conditions helped (Mexico seeing a lenient government towards immigrants and war prisoners) I also wonder if the Mexican Government would like our help concerning the drug cartel
Can any direct me to documents concerning the release and are they public? Can anyone tell us weather the punishment was part of the negotiation (punishment other than Capital Punishment)? And\or is there a new ruling concerning extradition that might be used in several states.
Comment by Hello All I have a few questions — April 16, 2009 @ 7:14 pm
Did a fast search and I did find several article concerning Clintons efforts along with Sean Smith, Homeland Security spokesman, Extradition Law was very much a part of the negotiation with Mexico and the conditions of our 700 million dollars. I hope I am right and several more fugitives will be returned to face persecution.
Looks like Cesar’s timing was off here. But now comes the trial. The Marines still consider him active duty.
IMO it would be poetic justice if he is released on a tech in Onslow and faces a Military Tribual after all
Comment by Hello — April 16, 2009 @ 7:38 pm
sorry prosecution not persecution
Comment by Hello — April 16, 2009 @ 7:40 pm
Okay, Foxnews is reporting that a) he was determined NOT to be the father of the unborn child and b) that he will be administratively discharged from the MC upon his return. Your thoughts LK?
Comment by Beverly — April 16, 2009 @ 9:00 pm
As far as Laurean being the father of Lauterbach’s unborn child, read this blog post from exactly one year ago.
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=82
I am waaaaaaaaaay ahead of FoxNews on this one.
And Jennifer Hlad, our military reporter / content editor got it verified today that the Corps will admin sep Laurean when he returns. There will be no military tribunal. The Corps is through with this PR nightmare.
Comment by Lindell Kay — April 16, 2009 @ 10:57 pm
I am so glad that he is finally being brought back to the US soil. I think that he will be back in Onslow county before we know it, but I also feel that it will be kept low key on account of trying to avoid a media circus. Someone said that they heard that his wife is pregnant so I was just wandering if Lindell had heard anything about it.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — April 16, 2009 @ 11:11 pm
Hi there ‘Hello.’ Looks to me like he is in ‘U.S. custody’ in Mexico and then will go to a judge in Huston, and then straight back to Onslow. Seems the military will separate him and have done with it. The FBI will drop the ‘unlawful flight to avoid prosecution’ and Onslow County (the DA and OCSD) will have a clear path to prosecution.
I expect he will now be eating hamburgers instead of tacos, but will be out of Mexico pretty soon. I can’t think anyone wants a hot potato like that sitting around!!!
I think that ‘wife pregnant’ was a speculation, and in any case it wouldn’t make a bit of difference to a trial. So far as I know we don’t let people off the hook because of impending paternity!!!! Imagine how many villains would be loose on society!!!!!
Comment by justice4all — April 17, 2009 @ 1:12 am
Lindell, great article in the online “News.” Lots of information. Thanks.
Poor Sheriff Brown will never live down the divining rod!!!! BUT
Comment by justice4all — April 17, 2009 @ 1:17 am
…..he DID find the body!!! I hope Mary does come for the trial, she deserves to hear every word that is said, and be able to view the proceedings.
I still grieve for Cesar’s mom, what a dreadful situation for his family. They have done no wrong, but their suffering must be intense.
Comment by justice4all — April 17, 2009 @ 1:20 am
Wasn’t saying that if the wifey is pregnant that it would make a difference in his trial, but I think it put a different light on her. If he had cheated on her with other women and then murdered one of those women and her unborn child, then do you really think that if she was totally innocent that she would already be pregnant by him and to get pregnant in a mexican jail at that. I have always thought that she was just as guilty as him if not more and if she if pregnant by him then just confirms my thoughts to me.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — April 17, 2009 @ 1:51 am
Thank LK, I was hoping the Military would not have to give up their rights to prosecute Cesar, I hate the fact that Mexico can infiltrate and dictate our system. (I was hoping they yielded and would allow us to determine how to prosecute the crimes here is the US) O Well I am happy he will stand trial.
I am also glad that the judicial system is not so bent out of shape that a grieving mother words would have any impact as suspected here. However, I am concerned about the ROD Sheriff Brown Used, seems to me that where he got, how he got it and how it was used is irrelevant. The Buried Body should be the subject. What a mess
I hope the jury is intellegent enough to see beyond this. If we allow the deffense to side track us we will never know the truth…
LK I am sure is up to the task
Comment by Hello — April 17, 2009 @ 7:30 am
Ummm….I’m pretty sure that if I used my Harry Potter magic wand and stepped into the back yard on that day, the first place I would have walked to would have been the area that looked like it had recently been disturbed and triumphantly proclaimed, “It is here!” I’m pretty sure my five-year-old could have guessed where the body was buried.
Indeed, the fact that the Sheriff has “divine” powers to use a divining rod really is irrelevant to the whole case, but a good defense attorney understands the smoke-and-mirrors approach to defending: It’s not about the truth so much as it is about being able to put on a good show, hammering at the irrelevant, confusing people with oddly-worded questions, and throwing the famous “Isn’t it possible…?”
I would pay money to watch the defense cross-examine the Sheriff.
Comment by Realist — April 17, 2009 @ 9:34 am
All Hudson has to do is put a scientist on the stand to tell about the rod. What sheriff Brown did is something that scientist shows how to do it. So what if he is the only sheriff around here who pays attention to what a scientist has to say, maybe if more of them did then some cases could be solved faster. I say good job Sheriff Brown!! The defense trying to use this is just going to make them selves look stupid IMO.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — April 17, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
“Divining rod or dowser, stick used in searching for underground water or minerals. This form of divination is still in common use in many parts of the world. The instrument is typically a forked twig. The operator holds the forked ends of the twig close to his body, with the stem pointing forward. When he walks over a spot under which water or the desired mineral lies, the stem of the divining rod is supposedly pulled down. Impartial research, however, has indicated that successes in this method result mostly from chance and possibly also from a heightened sensitivity to visual cues of which the diviner is unaware.”
If Dewey can find a “scientist” who will put his reputation on the line to provide a scientific answer to Ed’s use of Divination, then I would love to be the one to do the cross examination.
My first question would be, “Wouldn’t common sense dictate that you would first look in the only burnt depression in the back yard for a body allegedly burned and buried? What’s with the bent coathangers?”
Actually, I think it would be more fun sitting on a jury and having somebody explain to me how bent coathangers from China can find a dead body.
Comment by Realist — April 17, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
I do not think that any other country should be allowed to tell our country that it cannot put a MURDERER to death. Especially the murderer of a pregnant female that was also in service to our country. But it is what it is and I think that LWOP is better than nothing.
Is Brown still the sheriff in Onslow County?
Comment by Donna — April 17, 2009 @ 2:49 pm
Your name “Realist ” fits
why we are so pre occupied (I am assuming sarcasms) with how the body was found is ridiculous But it would be fun,
I wonder if the trial will be open, I think I might attend
Comment by Hello Realist — April 17, 2009 @ 6:59 pm
Donna, I know how you feel. Yes, Ed Brown is the Sheriff in Onslow County.
As far as other countries dictating to us, it is unfortunate, but the U.S. has a treaty with Mexico. The treaty allows each country to return ‘wanteds’ to the other. But, Mexico will not return people to countries where there is ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ because in their system they say that the punishment for any crime should also be ‘rehabilitative.’
The Mexicans feel that the death penalty is cruel and unusual so they won’t return people who face the death penalty. Because of this DA Dewey Hudson reluctantly removed the death penalty option from the punishment. Apparently before Mexico will return someone they want to know exactly what the charges are and what are the possible punishments if the defendant is found guilty.
I just leave it to your imagination to decide how wonderful it must be to live in a place where murderers of every type are ‘rehabilitated’ and returned to society, and where it is cruel and unusual even to give “Life without Parole.”
I think we are lucky indeed that Cesar is here at all, considering that the Mexicans believe LWOP to be cruel too.
Comment by justice4all — April 17, 2009 @ 8:05 pm
You have to laugh. A third world nation with third world politics and third world crime, and they take a position of moral superiority on prisoners.
Comment by Realist — April 18, 2009 @ 10:25 am
Yep!
Comment by Hello realist — April 18, 2009 @ 4:26 pm
Hi there Hello and Realist. Well, where I come from we have a saying, “There’s always the most pushing where there’s the least room,” and this is one of those times!!
I just can’t imagine how many criminals of the most serious kind are walking the streets down there in Mexico. Unless of course the jail experience was so horrendous that most criminals are scared straight for life!!!!
Comment by justice4all — April 18, 2009 @ 11:14 pm