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Lindell Kay | Cesar Laurean,HOME PAGE,reporting demystified | Sunday, April 13th, 2008

So the story is online. I can finally say something.

The Daily News’ Web site was viewed on a computer inside Laurean’s home at around 4 a.m. the day that he took off.

Whoever looked at the Web site looked at these two things: a story and attached documents.

The person may have looked at other stuff, I don’t know.

I say the “person” because while law enforcement can prove the Web site was looked out, they cannot prove who looked at it at this time. I am learning my lessons about that.

While y’all are looking at the incident report, go over it really good because there is something in there that was dismissed by everyone almost immediately that just might be extremely important…

One more thing. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I am not saying this as some sort of disclaimer to cover my ass. I beleive it. The Constitution has held up for nearly 200 years. It’s a good peice of writing.

Last thing: While y’all are certainly welcome to, I won’t speculate on this blog. I will offer my opinion from to time to time, but if I tell you something as fact it is because it has been verified by law enforcement sources. They get stuff wrong sometimes, or I might make a mistake, but I fix that immediately.

Sunday family time…

155 Comments »

  1. give us a hint where to look because it starts on page 4, its looks like the beginning of it is not there or i just missed it

    Comment by de — April 13, 2008 @ 9:46 am

  2. Kidnapping?

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 9:49 am

  3. This is my guess.

    After reading the incident report No. 5 on the Probable Cause Affidavit the Laureans’ got nervous that a search warrant was coming their way to search their property. Thus causing Cesar to run.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 10:00 am

  4. thanks thats what i thought but wasnt sure

    Comment by de — April 13, 2008 @ 10:02 am

  5. My thoughts too. However, I would like to know if we are now at a point that everyone believes he forced her to withdraw the money? Can Lindell confirm that or not?

    Comment by Renee — April 13, 2008 @ 10:24 am

  6. I cannot get the pdf open for some reason!

    *Hope everyone has a great Sunday!

    Comment by Rae — April 13, 2008 @ 10:33 am

  7. Have to say this before my wife catches me on the computer. No to the idea he forced her to get money. That was what people thought because of an incorrect AP story. He was indicted with robbery with a dangerous weapon becaued procecutors were able to convince a grand jury that he attempted to use her bank card after her death. The law in N.C. is that you can be charged with robbery if you take from someone you are also accused of killing, even if robbery was not part of the original plan. Again, just stating the law: if you kill someone and then as an afterthought take their money and bank cards, you can be tried for robbery too. I was refering to something else other than kidnapping in the report, but I did run the kidnapping question by the D.A. last week and he said more charges could be leveled against Cesar later.

    Comment by Lindell — April 13, 2008 @ 10:52 am

  8. Lindell, You’re making it too easy. Assuming this “oversight” is not contained on pages prior to pages 4 & 5 which is all I’m seeing when I link from you blog. I caught it within 30 seconds. You’re brilliant!

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 10:56 am

  9. If its not the kidnapping please tell the rest of us. I feel real stupid for not picking up on it

    Comment by de — April 13, 2008 @ 11:00 am

  10. Monte, would a gift certificat to Hilda’s prompt you to share your insight?

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 11:13 am

  11. I have been reading and re-reading.

    I am wondering if it’s # 3, the cell phone? “….but someone who did not want the cellular telephone traced might throw the cellular telephone out of a car.”

    Comment by LittleBit — April 13, 2008 @ 11:51 am

  12. My insight to this case is just that, my insight. The facts of this case are what they are. We’re all reading the same stuff and have access, thanks to Lindell and The Daily News to all the documents filed by LE that have since become or had always been unsealed. They are public record.

    What I love about this group that posts here as opposed to other sites is that everyone presents themselves in an intelligent manner and there isn’t any flamers or grandstanders. We are all seeking the truth. In this case, like in many others, most theories and ideas will never bare fruit. If they did, this case and its myriad of mysteries would have been solved a long time ago. I believe when the facts of this case have all been uncovered and presented to the public, this case, while bizarre, will read through like a very tragic, albeit, very simple misguided love story turned into murder and caused the lives of many people to never be the same. I think we’ll all look back and shake our heads in unison muttering, “Yeah, now I get it, had sad, if only……”

    To the question raised today by Mr. Kay. I believe words have meaning, especially the written word by a trained LE officer. The incident report was written “at the moment” and I think we have to use those words for their natural intended use. I think the words of Maria’s mother in describing a particular conversation with Maria is telling. I recall a conversation Maria had with a friend is pertinent. I believe the words used in the incident report are defining. An most recently, I believe the words of Cesar, as quoted by tht Associated Press reporter are helpful in putting the situation into the proper context.

    So if you treat this question by Mr. Kay as a word based mathematical equation, you need the following elements: The critcial words in the incident report + Mary Lauterbach’s statement to her daughter + Maria’s comment to a friend regarding her feelings towards the USMC + Cesar’s comment to an AP reporter = a part of the puzzle we all want to know.

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 12:36 pm

  13. Could it be the roommate’s remark that Maria was upset by a phone call from her mother? Was it that the roommate reported that Maria had been bedridden from the pregnancy?

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 12:37 pm

  14. If I recall, Mary and her mother were discussing giving the baby up for adoption, Maria told her friend that she didn’t know if the pregnancy was as good thing or a bad thing, she went to tell him that the plan had changed and she was giving the baby up for adoption, he was planning on leaving Christina for Maria because he loved Maria, then Maria changed the plan by deciding to give the baby up for adoption and leaving, he gets angry and snaps. Thinkging as I write here. Monte, is this along the lines of your thinking?

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 12:44 pm

  15. KPH, I think you and me are on the same (long) road

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 12:56 pm

  16. The only that that puzzles me about that though KPH, I do think Maria was planning on leaving that day. If she was going through with the adoption of Gabriel she wouldn’t have to leave to do that but stay right there and when he was born the adoption process could be enacted in Jacksonville.

    I don’t think she had plans of giving him up even when her mother pressured her to do so. I think she thought she had to make a decision of either tossing the MC or going somewhere for a substantial amount of time in order to keep Gabriel and have some sibilance of peace. Somewhere her mother and family would have no idea how to find her.

    Comment by Drake Garrett — April 13, 2008 @ 12:57 pm

  17. MonteDog, can you be more specifc please?

    Comment by Renee — April 13, 2008 @ 12:58 pm

  18. Lindell, I’d take you more serious as a journalist if you’d remember that spell check IS your friend.

    As for the rest of the story, in this country, we’re still innocent until proven guilty.

    Comment by Journalist — April 13, 2008 @ 12:59 pm

  19. Renee, I believe KPH and I are going down the same road that will arrive at the answer to Lindell Kay’s question earlier this morning.

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

  20. Don’t forget that Maria is adopted. What if she had contact with her bio mom and/or dad and was going to go hang out with them until the baby was born? That would give her time to sort through stuff. Majorily speculating here. There is a name listed another document, that has been released to the public that is related to this case, that puzzles me. That is where this speculation stems from.

    I still believe that Maria could have decided to leave, she seemed to be impulsive in some aspects of her life, as in the purported lying.

    Again, just my pure speculation in trying to understand this tragedy.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 1:09 pm

  21. I wonder if we’ll see Maria’s natural parents at the trial. Up til now, they have been non-existent, which for their sake is probably the smart thing.

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 1:13 pm

  22. Monte, I’ve done some research in that dept. If what I have found is accurate and that is a big if, then I would be suprised to see them at the trial, especially the person who I think is her bio dad.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 1:20 pm

  23. To journalist: spellcheck may be my friend, but I also only had two hours of sleep in the 48 hours previous to posting what I said. I dont have a copy editor on this blog and I dont want one. It ain’t the newspaper. Thats why they gave it to me. Copy editors make plenty of mistakes anyway. That is why the story in todays paper says “103 Meadow Trial” instead of “103 Meadow Trail.” And someone replaced “IP adresses” to “Internet service provider addresses” which less specific than what I had. Grammar is important, that’s why newspapers staff several editors to catch and fix mistakes. Here, on my blog, I wont hold it against anyone if they misspell a word. You can take that seriously. AND I DOUBT YOU ARE A JOURNALIST. You might be a spellchecker, but you aint no journalist. Whew, I am glad I got that of my chest, I feel better now.

    Comment by Lindell Kay — April 13, 2008 @ 1:41 pm

  24. Lindell, that person probably has an inferiority complex and they feel good when they can try to belittle someone.

    Thank goodness you aren’t going to hold us accountable for our spelling.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

  25. It’s been a crazy week around the Onslow County Sheriff’s office. First the disclosure of the e-mail purporedly sent by Cesar Laurean to Sheriff Ed Brown now sources say a second email has surfaced eminating from a computer in Pamlico County. Here’s a copy of that email.

    From: Jerome Wilingham Wilingham

    Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008

    To: Sheriff of Onslow County, NC

    Subject: Sir, Can I Ask You

    Sir

    Can you assure me immunization from the militant lemon Aid court if I come back? I just know they will Squeeze me for every dime I got. I can’t risk Minutemaid or the V-8 folks railroading me.

    I know you are a caring Sheriff and as you can tell by all my children I am VERY loving man

    Comment by Anita Bryant — April 13, 2008 @ 2:11 pm

  26. There certainly is a lot of what if’s to this story. I received a email from of Maria’s high school friends who told me that the friend’s ex-boyfriend had just spoken with Maria a few days before the 14th. I will paste the email below so that everyone can read. This email makes me feel like that Maria would not give her child up at all, but of course that is just my feelings.

    Maria was always such a confident and strong person. I remember how she had such a passion for her criminal justice class back at our high school MVCTC and how she was always very active in soccer. I remember the day her class got pepper sprayed as a practice to see what it was like just so many things. I can tell you that her whole Criminal Justice class misses her terribly. My high school boyfriend actually had spoken with Maria a few days before she was killed. He told me she was excited about the baby and that she seemed happy. That brings me a little bit of peace. Its sad to see such a tragic end to two lives. Its all too real to me this hit way to close to home. I met Marias sister once at a homecoming dance our senior year. After the dance I went to a friends house where Maria was hangin out and we all watched the Amityville Horror movie. Anyways sorry for all of the old memories.. thank you for starting up this page up so we can celebrate her life.

    Comment by Info — April 13, 2008 @ 2:33 pm

  27. Thanks for that insight Info. Do you know her sister Anne too?

    I would like to see the email as well. Thanks and sorry for the loss this represents to so many.

    Comment by Renee — April 13, 2008 @ 2:44 pm

  28. okay, i do not believe Maria wanted to put the baby up for adoption, otherwise why would her mother be rationalizing it to maria? perhaps she shared the conversation with her mother with cesar and she decided if she wanted to keep her baby, she had to leave the area (her mother was coming the following week) and quickly. I am not sure if Cesar planned to go with her or not. If he did plan to, then i think it is most likely christina was the one to end maria’s life. If he didn’t, and didn’t want her to go either, then I think it was cesar who ended her life. Only 3 people know the true answer to whether or not that was his plan, and only 2 of them are still living.

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 3:06 pm

  29. citizen j., I agree with most of what you write, though there could be more than 3 people who oringinally knew: Maria and Cesar for sure, then it becomes a guessing game, did Christina know and were there others who were close, I mean real close to Cesar and Maria. How well did Sgt. Durham know maria. Did Cesar have a best pal he hung out with….and what about the friends who came to outdoor bonfires at the Meadow Trail home.

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

  30. Citizen if you can bare with me here I think maybe it has all changed now.

    Today I saw a video of Mary talking and now it seems they are only talking about the party that night.

    While I know you are right in working with the idea they talked about the baby and how maria couldn’t take care of the baby.

    http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/1200068360-lauterbachinvestigationdocumnetsrevised.pdf

    It is in the police incident report as I see it.

    But today there is something very different.

    http://www.wect.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?clipId1=2377069&at1=News&vt1=v&h1=Complete+Interview+with+Mary+Lauterbach&d1=727033&redirUrl=www.wect.com&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage&clipFormat=&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.wect.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp%3FclipId1%3D2377069%26at1%3DNews%26vt1%3Dv%26h1%3DComplete+Interview+with+Mary+Lauterbach%26d1%3D727033%26redirUrl%3Dwww.wect.com%26activePane%3Dinfo%26LaunchPageAdTag%3Dhomepage%26clipFormat%3D&rnd=79207800

    This is why I have a hard time keeping up with what’s true and what’s not here.

    It will be a sad day if we have to rely on Cesar for the truth.

    Also, it seems Mary thinks Cesar had a perception problem about his sex with Maria if I am understanding it right. You view the video and see what you come away with please.

    Comment by Octavia — April 13, 2008 @ 3:22 pm

  31. Good point MonteDog, I just believe that the “plan” came together very last minute. I do not think that running away was premeditated, and there may not have been time to share the info with anyone else. And, if Cesar was not going, then I think it unlikely Christina was involved in the murder itself.

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 3:23 pm

  32. I thought DA Hudson said he is confident Christina was not involved in the murder and cover up. Is that not true now? I understand his waiting to clear Christina with the emails, but that is because the FBI still has them and he hasn’t had a chance to review them. I don’t think there will be any charges against Christina from that or anything else. I am just going by what LE, the DA, and her lawyer has said in a press conference. It seemed clear to me.

    Comment by Lily — April 13, 2008 @ 3:29 pm

  33. I don’t think she wanted to give the baby up, but rather her mother wanted her to and was trying to heavily persuade her to do agree to do so. I think she felt backed into a corner and maybe told her mother that she would go the adoption route, during the Dec. 14th conversation.

    Personally, I do think that she wanted to keep the baby. Maybe that included a life with Cesar? How she was going to sell that her mother, I don’t know? I think that may have been what caused her to impulsively want to leave everything behind. Not to mention, the birth of the baby was going to cause further issues for her and Cesar, as far as the USMC. She gets further backed into a corner and impulsively decides to buy the ticket to get away from everyone. Yes, she was 8 mos pregnant, but she may have been going to stay with someone who she trusted until the baby was born.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

  34. Has the FBI or NCIS released anything on not charging her for obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, etc? Maybe they are leaving it all up to D.A. Hudson (I hope)? I think if they leave it up to him, she’ll finally be able to pick up her pieces and move on with her life. It’s nice to see such a kind hearted, understanding District Attorney. I hope that the county appreciates him.

    Comment by TweetyPie — April 13, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

  35. I do not know her sister personally. I have spoken with many of her friends through a site that I set up in memory of maria. The stories that they share with me show exactly what the photos of Maria show; a happy go lucky girl with lots of friend. All of them ones that I have spoken with speaks very highly of Maria and they tell me how much that miss her. Sorry that does not sound like the type of person who would lie constantly to me, but instead it sounds like a person who would do anything to help a friend. I can tell you one thing, I know first hand how the military will cover their own butts.

    Comment by Info — April 13, 2008 @ 4:19 pm

  36. Is it possible after learning of some diary entry about suicide thoughts they would be using kid gloves with Christina?

    It seems like D.A. Hudson is very cautious. One time he spoke about not being like Nifong but it seems like the threshold is really high now. I believe there is a 10% chance Christina is telling the truth.

    But she sure wasn’t being honest about her communication with her husband. If that wasn’t a clue into her integrity then I don’t know what would be for me.

    There is a video at wral where D.A. Hudson is reluctant to say Christina is not involved from what I saw.

    Comment by Kewpiedoll — April 13, 2008 @ 4:58 pm

  37. Info I think Maria might have been confused and trying to make everyone happy versus telling lies for no reason. It was her mom who first put it out there.

    I wondered if Anne has her baby with her or not?

    You have to sign almost everything you do with the military and I speak from firsthand knowledge too.

    Been there done that. They can’t just make it up on the fly.

    In this case you have a civillian victim advocate involved and a military one. It will come out one way or the other.

    Comment by Renee — April 13, 2008 @ 5:01 pm

  38. Renee, yes annie doe have her baby with her which is a boy. I have seen pics of him and he is just as cute as button. Being that you have knowledge of the military also, can you please tell me since when would they let a husband and wife be in the same unit. I know before the MOS had to be different because like in the laurean’s case he was a cpl and she was a lcpl which meant he would be over his wife. She couldn’t have been the reserves or active duty long at all since she was only a lcpl or wonder if she had been busted in rank for something. Any insights would be appreciated.

    Comment by Info — April 13, 2008 @ 5:14 pm

  39. This discussion, while excellent, has strayed a bit from the initial challenge posed by Lindell easlier today.

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 5:31 pm

  40. montedog, sorry for straying away from the original topic, but I am just trying to get some answers to some unanswered questions. I was hoping that some of you might have answers to or that maybe mr.lindell could find out the answers.

    Comment by Info — April 13, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

  41. who are her real parents. if you dont want to say thats ok. I was just wondering

    Comment by de — April 13, 2008 @ 6:17 pm

  42. I’m not concerned who her parents are, I’m concerned where her parents are?

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 6:23 pm

  43. Thats a good question. I wonder if they even know that Maria was their daughter

    Comment by de — April 13, 2008 @ 6:31 pm

  44. When Mr. Lindell threw out that challenge, here’s where I went. I think
    my synapses weren’t failing me but as always, this old dog is always ready to accept some godd ole constructive criticism.

    But before I spew my theory, let me tease you with two words and little game we all played as kids and see if anyone has the faintist idea where I’m going with this whole thing as it relates to statements, both past and recent, by the central characters in this tragic saga……READY?

    Downey Hammacker

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 7:52 pm

  45. MonteDog

    A Few Good Men?

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 8:01 pm

  46. Something to do with A Few Good Men?

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:02 pm

  47. It doesn’t matter what I believe only what I can prove.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:03 pm

  48. You’re GOOD.

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 8:07 pm

  49. More like lucky. I pulled up a website that referenced A Few Good Men and all of a sudden I heard Demi Moore’s character LCDR Galloway say “It doesn’t matter what I believe, only what I can prove.”

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:09 pm

  50. I am looking for twenty dollars to give to a friend. I may search my entire wallet for a twenty dollar bill and find none. So I state I do not have twenty dollars. If I had broadened my search and looked at all of the bills in my wallet, I may have found the two tens right under my nose.

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

  51. Why were they on trial

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 8:14 pm

  52. For following an order, leading to the death of a fellow Marine.

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 8:15 pm

  53. What was Lt. Daniel Daniel Kaffee trying to get Col. Nathan Jessup to say in the court room

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 8:18 pm

  54. I think in their marriage, Christina out ranked Cesar. Was Cesar following an order?

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:19 pm

  55. meant to type Lt. Daniel Kaffee

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 8:19 pm

  56. The truth

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:19 pm

  57. I ordered the code red?

    Comment by citizen j — April 13, 2008 @ 8:20 pm

  58. KPH, now go back read the incident report page 4 line 5. Does Cesar Laurean qualify as a “superior officer”as written by the detective in the report and as defined in the way that enlisted and officers refer to themselves?

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 8:22 pm

  59. No.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:25 pm

  60. Oh dear Lord, this has the potential to get stickier, if I am getting your jist.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:27 pm

  61. Exactly, the detectives description states a superior officer, such as a Lt, Captain, Major, Lt. Col , Col. not Cpl., Sgt. etc. and so on.

    What if the paternity of Maria’s baby isn’t Cesar’s but rather an officer’s. How does that change things and put into context some statements made by Cesar and Maria? Nad the violent encounters maria met on base, the keying of her car and the bashing in the face. Were these attempts to silence her ( issue a Code Red) and when she didn’t compley, they pinned the blame on a lowly Cpl in order to save the officer’s career. If that was still possible.

    It does make you wonder. Doesn’t it?

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 8:31 pm

  62. Very thought provoking.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

  63. Maybe thats why they havent been in a rush to get the dna. they could use what they took from the house.

    Comment by de — April 13, 2008 @ 8:36 pm

  64. But the detective got the information on the “senior officer” from Mary. And Mary can only go by what Maria told her. And Maria could have non commissioned officer-which Cesar was-and Mary could have taken that to mean something else. But as we’ve seen, it seems as though Maria told conflicting statements to her mother and to the Marines. No intention of victim bashing, just stating the truth.

    Comment by me — April 13, 2008 @ 8:52 pm

  65. Me, maybe so or maybe not? But you have to admit it is very thought provoking.

    Keep in mind that Maria’s father is in the USAF Reserves, so my guess is Marys know how ranks work.

    Do we know if Maria ever told her mother Cesar’s name? From what Mary has said in the public, Maria told her he was hispanic and popular.

    Comment by KPH — April 13, 2008 @ 8:59 pm

  66. Mary says she didn’t know much about Cesar. I dont think she ever knew his name. And also Air Force rank structure isn’t quite the same as Marine Corps. I think the only thing that is the same is the Officer rankings. An E-4 in the Air Force is a Senior Airman. They are not NCO’s as an E-4 is in the Marine Corps.

    Comment by me — April 13, 2008 @ 9:06 pm

  67. Watch the cnn video of Mary Lauterbach taken Friday and broadcast upon the capture of Cesar. She seems to stammer at times when they ask if she’s glad he (Cesar) was captured.

    Please keep in mind, I’m coming in here NOT to be an apoligist for Cesar. But just imagine if the DNA of Cesar comes back NEGATIVE as a match tothe baby. That makes this discussion more believable and it means that Maria had other sexual encounter. If Maria had been involved with others onboard Camp Lejeune including officers….I continue to hear the detectives word once again that the “investigation soured…” Does that mean that this “Superior Officer” was eventually dishonorably discharged?

    Does anyone really think that a Corporal in the personnel office of the IIMEF could order a Code Red to silence someone who might be detrimental to his USMC career or……. does an officer have more chance of pulling that off?

    I wonder if Mr. Kay can obtain a FOIA from the Pentagon on all active Marines from Camp Lejeune from the period of March 2007 through Decemebr 14, 2007 who were charged with fraternization and subsequntly dishonorably discharged??????

    That could shed some light on what was going on with Maria.

    Please keep in mind it does not erase the fact that she was murdered….HOWEVER…….. I guess one could introduce the theory that this Code Red order went all the way to the murder of Maria Francis Lauterbach inside the garage at 103 Meadow Trail!

    Comment by MonteDog — April 13, 2008 @ 9:16 pm

  68. I think that everyone needs to quit speculating and wait on the trial to take place. With all of the accusations that people are making on here, you are going to have the base commander being Lauterbach’s killer. It makes everyone sound completely stupid coming up with all these off the wall theories. The Marine Corps is not “A Few Good Men.” That was a fictitious movie. Personally, I think that there are going to be more unanswered questions that arise before there will be any closure. Everyone needs to stop making up Lifetime movie plots and wait for the trial to take place. Even if the truth does come out, people are not going to be happy unless it is completely scandalous and disgusting. It is a horrble situation.

    Comment by Conspiracy Theory — April 13, 2008 @ 9:17 pm

  69. I agree with the Conspiracy Theory. Oh and I remember a time early on when it was said that Maria Lauterbach’s murder was the reason Colonel Hodges was transferred.

    Mr. Kay I wish you give up the jig and just come out with what was dismissed early on.

    Comment by Amy — April 13, 2008 @ 9:30 pm

  70. Conspiracy and Amy, please know that while you are entitled to your opinions, as well as free speech, so is everyone else here. I am not trying to tell you what to post, so please extend the same courtesy to others here. What has happened is a horrible tragedy, and many are just trying to sort it out.

    Comment by Big Frank — April 13, 2008 @ 10:05 pm

  71. Monte et al – I find Mary’s latest round of interviews to be saying something entirely different from what we’ve heard thusfar. I think I heard her say something about Cesar not perceiving that her daughter didn’t like him period. Then we have her and her attorney trying to sell this senior enlisted man who could order her to do things. Good grief I was thinking maybe they had Cesar mixed up with someone else.

    The grooming of this story has begun and we are going to be hearing a tale of the bad MC. We don’t have to change it all up for this story to be effective about the murder of Maria.

    Comment by Renee — April 13, 2008 @ 10:10 pm

  72. Mr. Kay, in looking at the document link it seems there may be a page missing. Is all of the document there that needs to be for us to look for what was overlooked early on.

    Also, I believe Cesar’s rank was higher then Maria’s rank and may have played somehow in the original rape complaints. He may have very well threatened her with problems regarding her job if she did not have sex with him. That would be abuse of authority as I see it and would explain the lack of force. It also may explain why the MC went forward with the investigation of the rape complaints.

    Comment by Lily — April 14, 2008 @ 11:25 am

  73. MonteDog, no matter which way it is twisted, Cesar was still superior to Maria by his rank. To have a conspiracy to blame a lower ranking Cpl for another real superior officer makes no sense. There is no basis in fact for that.

    Cesar is the killer and no one else.

    Comment by Lily — April 14, 2008 @ 11:36 am

  74. Citizen J, you say you ordered the code red. What is a code red and who all can order it if you don’t mind my asking? Thanks.

    Comment by Lily — April 14, 2008 @ 11:41 am

  75. Lily, could you please explain how a Cpl. could affect a LCpl’s career? I’m not in the military or really know anyone who is. I think that too many people are discounting his power without explanation. I see many defend him on that and I thought a superior was a superior. Seems simple to me.

    Comment by TweetyPie — April 14, 2008 @ 11:44 am

  76. Cesar was one rank above Maria. And had he not won the meritorious board they would have been the same rank. And as soon as Maria would have met her cutting score and had the time in grade/time in service, she could have made Corporal as well. After serving myself, I have never seen where a Cpl could affect a Lcpl’s career. They don’t have a whole lot of power really. Even when I was promoted to Cpl…I didn’t get a whole lot of say so. Also, if you look at the response from the Marines to the Congressman, it does say she was never forced or threatened by punishment. They got those answers from Maria’s statements…statements that would have to be signed by Maria.

    Comment by me — April 14, 2008 @ 11:48 am

  77. I personally did not order a code red. It was from the movie A Few Good Men. Fiction I was answering a question.

    Comment by citizen j — April 14, 2008 @ 11:50 am

  78. I always thought a superior was a superior , too. His rank was higher then hers. I take it she was raped one night when they were working together from what she said. Also what I have learned, and I am not in the military, is at night, a very few marines are on duty. I believe that is called standing watch. I have also heard only three total would be on duty. So if the third one left to do some personal things with the permission of Cesar, then they were there alone.

    I believe he could have hurt her career in a number of ways. He could write lies about her performance that night like she left and was gone most of the night and send it up the chain of command. He could just hurt her verbally also with nothing in writing. She was a young girl and no doubt afraid of his rank. Just saying……..

    A superior is a superior and it doesn’t have to be someone higher in rank then Cesar.

    Comment by Lily — April 14, 2008 @ 12:01 pm

  79. Oh, sorry citizen.

    Comment by Lily — April 14, 2008 @ 12:04 pm

  80. Me, you’re right, not a whole lot of power, but I believe it depends on time and place.

    Standing watch and being the highest ranking marine at the time gave him much more power. There was no one higher in rank at that time in that place. After all it was over night.

    I believe that is exactly why the MC continued to investigate the rape allegations.

    Comment by Lily — April 14, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

  81. It’s good to know how the Marine Corps does business for those of us not on the “inside”. Thank You Lily.

    Comment by TweetyPie — April 14, 2008 @ 12:25 pm

  82. There are higher ranking people that stand duty. There is the Officer of the Day and the Assistant Officer of the Day. Now, I do not know why Maria would have to work at night in their office. There is nothing that states she was standing duty…it is said that she was working in their office. I have never known a Cpl or Lcpl to be given that access after hours. In my shop, we were never allowed to stay after hours unless someone higher up like a SNCO was going to be there.

    Comment by me — April 14, 2008 @ 12:26 pm

  83. Maybe he told Maria she had duty so she stayed? Did he also out rank his wife?

    Comment by TweetyPie — April 14, 2008 @ 12:40 pm

  84. Me, isn’t there also duty log books that would show exactly who was on duty on any particular day?

    Comment by LittleBit — April 14, 2008 @ 12:43 pm

  85. Lilly where are you getting this information about him being the highest ranking person there? Where are you placing them and when? We don’t even know when it was for sure.

    Please straighten this out for those of us not on the inside.

    Comment by Octavia — April 14, 2008 @ 12:46 pm

  86. Since when did a Corporal have the authority to tell a LCpl. they had to stand duty? I thought that always came from a much higher ranked Marine.

    Isn’t a duty roster posted well in advance as well?

    I’m not flaming anyone, just asking a simple question.

    Comment by Gail — April 14, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

  87. I’m sorry Gail. As I understood it, he was her superior period. I just wondered if he told her she had duty so she would stay late. I did not mean that she actually had duty. I’m just not understanding the difference between their ranks.

    Comment by TweetyPie — April 14, 2008 @ 1:09 pm

  88. Gail none of this makes sense and hopefully Lily will show up with some proof. This is not how the USMC works and I still have yet to see any duty roster much less a date that is confirmed.

    Comment by Octavia — April 14, 2008 @ 1:11 pm

  89. Sorry to break the truth to you all…but a duty roster is posted a month in advance. So for example, a duty roster for April would have been ready at the end of March. And during March you are asked if there are any days you can’t stand duty-for example doctor appointment, going on leave, etc. Once the duty roster is set, it’s set. So there would really be no way Cesar could say “Lcpl Lauterbach you have duty tonight”….just isn’t gonna happen. Because duty at the barracks is a 24/7/365. She would have reported for duty at 0800 that morning and been relieved the next morning at 0800. Also there are higer ranking people that stand duty than just a Cpl. You have the Officer of the Day-SNCO and up as well as the Assistant Officer of the Day-Sgt and SNCO ranking. Don’t know what kind of inside info Lily has…sounds to me like she is just making stuff up as she goes. My opinion of course.

    Comment by me — April 14, 2008 @ 4:20 pm

  90. Octavia, I finally had the time to watch the video you posted. It does seem to be a much different story than we heard in the beginning. I also recall an article where Mary talked about having a stern conversation with maria about the adoption. And I was also puzzled by the “perception” problem mentioned in the video. It makes less and less sense.

    Comment by citizen j — April 14, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

  91. Right in the begining I saw the superior officer thing in the paper, and it was on the document, but I thought it was just a mistake. But, even supposing someone superior had done it, why would Cesar take the blame? There must be other ways of disposing of evidence other than the way it was finally attempted. Unless there were several people at the house on the fatal day.

    Comment by justice4all — April 15, 2008 @ 9:22 am

  92. I think it’s imperative we remember the following statement.

    “On November 5, 2007, Lance Cpl. Lauterbach informed the military prosecutor she was certain the child was not Cpl. Laurean’s based upon a recent Obstetrics Gynecological examination and recalculation of the conception date,” reads the letter from Lt. Gen. Richard S. Kramlich, director of Marine Corps Staff.

    This came from the response letter to Congressman Turner.

    Didn’t Dewey Hudson say if not a match with Cesar’s DNA there were other possibilities they would check or something like that? I believe it was in the JDN paper this weekend.

    Comment by Clarity — April 15, 2008 @ 9:53 am

  93. I certainly do not remember that being said by Hudson, Clarity. You may need to recheck that.

    Comment by VeryCurious — April 15, 2008 @ 10:05 am

  94. Sorry, but I think the conversation with her mother might just have been what started the whole chain of events that day. Maria was more or less being ganged up on to place the baby for adoption. Maria probably did not want to do that. It is sad. Maria knew that her mother and uncle were coming soon and she was going to just leave it all and keep her baby. That would have been her right.

    Comment by VeryCurious — April 15, 2008 @ 10:11 am

  95. District Attorney Dewey Hudson said the Marine Corps was waiting to receive Laurean’s DNA, and he knew military authorities were holding off testing any other possible father for Lauterbach’s unborn baby.

    http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html

    Checked out for me. You might want to read the article very curious. I think November 5th was a life changing day if that’s the day she was presented with her new date and she herself said Cesar was not the father. I wonder if and when she told Cesar that or if it was a source of her wanting to leave?

    Not just that but just imagine if the ultrasound was off and she had broken it off with Cesar but maybe had another encounter with another male during the month when she didn’t know she was pregnant?

    Yes I am thinking it is relevant. We can’t just presume Cesar is the father. He could have very well loved her and got a big blow to his life too. Not anything like the ending for Maria and her unborn baby by any stretch.

    Comment by Clarity — April 15, 2008 @ 10:53 am

  96. VeryCurious am I reading your post to say it’s the right of a mother to decide to run off?

    So would the father then never know he had a child? Or would his pay be attached later on? Color me confused and lacking clarity.

    Comment by Clarity — April 15, 2008 @ 10:55 am

  97. IF Maria is the determined young woman her mother depicts her to be now, then she would never have said the baby was not a product of rape or that Cesar wasn’t the father if he was from what I’m getting?

    But then again, it was Maria with the problems according to her mother. Now she let Cesar inherit those problems in the video. It’s already started with Cesar having a problem perceiving things from my memory and paraphrased.

    Watch what you wish for people. I don’t think we want him taking a diminished capacity defense, right?

    Comment by Octavia — April 15, 2008 @ 10:58 am

  98. Yes, Clarity, you are right. Hudson did say that the military would hold off on testing for any other possible father.

    And yes, I did say that Maria had the right to leave if she wanted to. We all have that right. Then if she had ever wanted that father to know about the baby, she would tell him. Also, if she were ever to want to get child support, the father would find out soon enough.

    And NO, NO, NO, Octavia! Please no deminished capacity defense! Maybe it is just me, but everytime Maria’s mother gives an interview, she tells something different or at least gives it a different twist. I still have sympathy for anyone losing a child, tho.

    Comment by VeryCurious — April 15, 2008 @ 11:12 am

  99. Okay I read the incident report and what I got from it was that it said Maria’s due date was February 14th? Does anyone know when her due date was? Then it stated Maria would not have left her comfort zone within two weeks of being due? I also picked up on the bedridden part, not sure how that ties in other than making it sound like she was closer to her due date than first thought. I also wondered where pages 1-3 where and why they were not posted? Does anyone know? If November 26th was Maria’s last Dr appt though and her next one was scheduled for December 26th, unless they do things different at a military hospital…you usually see the Dr once a month until you are about 7-8 months pregnant then it is twice a month and then weekly. Confusing. It also states that a white male was at the ATM machine…are they assuming Caesars complection is white…he looks white to me in the photos. A lot of statements from the beginning seem to contradict others. I understand media mistakes but it has added to the confusion in following this story. I find many things odd…too many to list. Who was in Lowes with Caesar purchasing the paint and wheel barrow? Why were there baby clothes found in the grave? Is it possible the baby was born or attempted to be taken….where are all the other people that had to be involved? Is everyone under wraps? I am wondering also why they are not releasing the DNA of the paternity of Gabriel’s father also that must be big news to keep it quiet I think. The fight with the step mother? The mother, Mary, stated in the beginning that she wasn’t mad at Caeasar…I found that really strange…if she though Caesar killed her daughter and grandchild I thought she would be very angry…not judging …just saying…I don’t know. Mr Kay are you planning on solving the mystery for us and telling us what was extremely important that was immediately dismissed? I would appreciate if you would and clarify.

    Comment by Lindsay — April 16, 2008 @ 3:41 pm

  100. Lindsay, Camp Lejeune’s Naval Hospital website says that for normal pregnancies that have no complications are seen every 6 weeks until they are 28 weeks (7 months). Then they are seen every 4 weeks until they are 36 weeks (9 months). From 36 weeks until delivery, women are seen every week. So I would say that she had 4 weeks until her next appointment, so I would say she wasn’t 8 months when she went missing and was killed. I would say she was 7 1/2 and a due date in February. Of course, just my opinion.

    Comment by me — April 16, 2008 @ 5:07 pm

  101. Lindell, is it true that the search warrants and other warrants have to be publically disclosed once the suspect is indited? Also, will the search warrants of the Laurean home and the Emricks home have to be open to the public now?
    Thanks!

    Comment by Rae — April 17, 2008 @ 1:32 am

  102. I would not be surprised to find that Maria’s baby is actually Sgt. Durham’s!
    Also, wouldn’t it be the time that Maria would have to move off base in order to preapre for the baby?

    Comment by Just Saying — April 17, 2008 @ 1:34 am

  103. What I missed at first was that LE thought it was a possible kidnapping, named a senior officer, then searched the house and any outlying buildings. They did take one item as property. What was that? I think that LE thought all of this might be attributed to Sgt. Durham and I would not be surprised if he were the father of Gabriel. Of course, it was before Maria and Gabriel’s bodies were found in a pit CHARRED in Laurean’s back yard.
    I wish Maria had kept a dairy like CHRISTINA did!

    Comment by ? — April 17, 2008 @ 1:41 am

  104. What is that writing on the front of Cesars sweatshirt in the Lowes video. The guy with him looks a lot like Ambers husband. Is it?

    Comment by Sandra — April 17, 2008 @ 4:42 am

  105. I am not making things up as I go along. I never said Cesar ordered her to stand duty. I think they ended up standing duty the same night. Assignment for this would have been made by someone else. During the night, who would be around in the same shop? If only three were on duty, I believe the senior marine on duty would become the supervisor. Why would the rape allegations go forward? I think it had something to do with abuse of authority. That is my opinion only. No matter how much difference there is in rank from Lcpl to cpl, Cesar is still senior to her and becomes her supervisor at that time in that place. Just saying…………………

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 10:37 am

  106. Lily, I think everybody’s question is; who said that he was the senior marine on duty? No where can I find that they were on duty much less that he was the highest ranking one there. Yes he also out ranked his wife because when her supposed contract was approved on Jan.4, 2008, she entered back into active duty status as a LCPL. My question about that is, she is suppose to be a few years older than Cesar, so why was she only a LCPL? I understand that during 2007 she was a active reservist, but you can also pick up rank there too. So has Christina been busted in rank for something?

    Comment by LTH — April 17, 2008 @ 10:50 am

  107. Lily, seriously just stop. Obviously you disregarded everything in my post above. There are higer ranking people on duty than just a Cpl. The OOD and the AOOD would have outranked Cesar. As I stated duty at the barracks takes place 24/7/365. There are Marines on duty at every barracks. In my barracks-and there were 2 sets for our unit. Each set of barracks had 3 floors–one floor per company. Each floor had 2 Marines standing duty-one an NCO and the other a non-NCO. For the unit, there were the OOD and the AOOD and they were available at any time….and they also made their rounds throughout the night–and you’d never know when they would show up.

    Comment by me — April 17, 2008 @ 10:56 am

  108. LTH, prior to her becoming an activated reservist, she was just a plain reservist-one weekend a month, 2 weeks a year. As a reservist you don’t pick up rank as fast as you do active duty. Also, the only reason Cesar got his rank of Cpl. is by winning the meritorious board.

    Comment by me — April 17, 2008 @ 10:58 am

  109. It doesn’t work like that Lily. You can’t make this fit your hopes or thoughts. You need to apply the facts and then start forming your opinions. Try to keep it within reality.

    Do you have anything that documents them being on duty together overnight Lily or are you opining to make it fit your story you want to believe?

    Comment by RealityChicky — April 17, 2008 @ 10:59 am

  110. LTH, I’m guessing because Maria said the rape occurred at night on duty after he had locked the doors IIRC. When working overnight it would be standing duty if I’m correct in that. There was no force remember? This would lead me to believe the rape allegations went forward because of abuse of authority. What else could it be?

    Even if there was a higher ranking officer there and he left to go home or whatever, then Cesar would automatically be in charge.

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 11:05 am

  111. Sorry if my post above is a little harsh…but we haven’t seen any evidence of Cesar and Maria standing duty together. If they did, there would be a record of it…as well as duty logs. Just get a little irritated when people try to say they know how duty works when they really don’t. I don’t know everything about the military, but I had duty plenty of times when I was in the Marines…I do know how that works.

    Comment by me — April 17, 2008 @ 11:08 am

  112. Lily, if you have an ‘inside’ connection, it would be wise for you to get your ‘insider’ to check to see what’s on those duty logs.

    You may be surprised.

    Comment by Gail — April 17, 2008 @ 11:09 am

  113. LTH I am of the opinion you will not find such other than in the mind. If you do, please do share here.

    This looks amazingly similar to something posted elsewhere by a poster who was throwing possibilities into the hopper and now someone else has taken it and is trying to fertilize the case with some BS. I think we need to have fact based opinions as opposed to taking the words of others.

    Comment by RealityChicky — April 17, 2008 @ 11:10 am

  114. Lily….you are NOT allowed to go home when standing duty!!!!! You are at the barracks the entire night. The OOD and the AOOD are NOT allowed to go home. They spend the night in the duty shack–have a small bed for them to sleep on-they take turns throughout the night. Same as the duty driver. The duty driver is in the duty shack with the OOD and the AOOD and they have a bed there as well. The Marines standing duty at the barracks are NOT allowed to go home. If you live out in town or in base housing, you stay in the assigned duty room or in a friends room. Our duty room was in the recreation room as there were no empty barracks rooms. If you are assigned a barracks room and stand duty, you go to your room and sleep when you are relieved of your shift.

    Comment by me — April 17, 2008 @ 11:11 am

  115. RealityChicky

    I can see by your nic your are here to start trouble. I hope Mr Kay realizes that. Please don’t attempt to trash this blog like the other. I will not be a part of it.

    Maria herself documented the working together overnight in her statement to the MC. I believe her.

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 11:15 am

  116. Have you seen the statement to the MC outlining they worked overnight together Lily? I have never seen that, but would like to if you have your copy accessible. Has anyone else seen this statement?

    Comment by RealityChicky — April 17, 2008 @ 11:18 am

  117. Me, in a perfect world things go right. You are not allowed to leave when standing duty. That is a given. In a shop, with no one around, that may happen. Someone may fall asleep on an overnight duty. They may just leave for awhile overnight. Who’s to say that doesn’t happen. It could have.

    Marines are not perfect. They are taken from the human race. A lot of rules can be gotten around.

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 11:23 am

  118. No, Marines aren’t perfect. But in my time in…I never once saw anyone leave their post. That is punishable under the UCMJ. I see it seems you have an “agenda” here and trying to make this out to be some big cover up by the Marines. That’s ok…you keep on believing that. I know what is what and I know how duty works-you don’t. You keep on believing what you want because it doesn’t matter what anyone points out to you regarding duty and regarding anything else.

    Comment by me — April 17, 2008 @ 11:26 am

  119. Lily, you are out of your league over here!

    Comment by LOL — April 17, 2008 @ 11:40 am

  120. Lily, chicky, squawk, 2braids, womanwithout, foxyhunk, and more, you cannot bully over here!

    Comment by Sandra — April 17, 2008 @ 11:50 am

  121. I can’t believe posters are coming from InSessions and attempting to trash this blog as they did the other. I will not be involved in this.

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

  122. The only time that we have seen Maria make claims of such is to Mary and we have a boat load of inconcistencies from what she told Mary.

    1.Start with her telling Mary that she was allegedly raped on April 10th and we know she reported two rapes.

    2.She told Mary she had no relationship with this man but we have learned that wasn’t true either.

    3.She told Mary she was due in January but the MC says she was due February 14th.

    4.She told Mary she was allegedly raped by a senior officer but we know the only report on file says she filed allegations against a peer.

    Comment by RealityChicky — April 17, 2008 @ 12:31 pm

  123. Lily, the USMC is one of the finest in our United States military. They are also dying for your freedom. While I believe in freedom of speech, I take exception to your ‘version’ of events. A Marine does NOT leave his/her post. EVER.

    Comment by Sasha — April 17, 2008 @ 12:41 pm

  124. Me and Sasha, I think that all branches of the military is just as good as the next. Now, lets get one thing straight, Marines do leave their post. I was married to a marine stationed at Camp Lejeune and there was plenty of times that the boys left their post and another one on duty would cover their butts if anyone found out about. One time he was attached to a unit that was deploying for 6 months and they had already reported to the ship and then instead of the ship pulling out that evening it was postponed until the next morning, but the guys could not leave the ship, but guess what about 30 of them did because I and somemore wives and girlfriends went down and picked them after they crawled over a fence, laid down in the ditch and as we approached and started to slow down they jumped in the back of the trucks and we did not return them back until about 3 am. They had to jump back over the fence and sneak back on the ship; so do not try to tell me that they do not ever leave their post because I know better.
    Lily, I ask again if you can tell me were you got your info because what I remember is that they said that Maria said it happened one evening when she stayed late at work and that does not constitute duty, so I just wanted to know if I missed something. Do not let these others get to you.

    Comment by LTH — April 17, 2008 @ 1:16 pm

  125. LTH…and as you see in MY post I said MY personal experience is that I have NEVER seen anyone leave their post while they were standing duty except to go get food or to go sleep.

    Lily doesn’t have any real “inside” information–at least in my opinion. She isn’t in the military. I remember what you remember–it wasn’t duty but she was working late at the office. Again, as a Lcpl, I do not see her having keys to the office and staying to finish up work. In MY experience, noone worked late except the OIC and SNCO’s. The times we had to work late-it was the whole shop, not just one or two people. The only ones that had keys were the SNCO’s and OIC’s. Again, all MY experience.

    Comment by me — April 17, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

  126. LTH, I beg your pardon! If ‘those guys’ as you call them left ship when they weren’t supposed to, then they would have gotten in trouble had they been found out. Little less than honorable, wasn’t it?

    Comment by Sasha — April 17, 2008 @ 1:53 pm

  127. Sasha, yes they are suppose to get in trouble if found out, but guess what. It was found out because one of them got his cammies caught in the fence when he was crawling back over and ripped them, but nothing was done about it. Futhermore, mairnes are humans like everyone else because there is not anybody on the face of this earth that is perfect like you would want everybody to believe. Let’s see drinking under the age of 21, which is breaking the law, raping someone, which we all know does happen is also a little less than honorable, don’t u think? Yes we would like to hold our men and women in uniform to a higher standard, but like I said before they are human. You are the one who said that a MARINE NEVER leaves their post and it just so happened that I knew better. So dont never say never because it will always come back to bite you in the butt. Have a nice day!!

    Comment by LTH — April 17, 2008 @ 2:00 pm

  128. I just have a hard time imagining admin/personnel EVER

    Comment by justice4all — April 17, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

  129. Admin/personnel clerks do not “work late”. Normally they are out of the office by no later than 5 p.m.

    If Lily will not give you the source of the information for Maria and Laurean working late, look here: http://www.daytondailynews.com/story/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/20/ddn012008mariainside.html?cxntlid=inform

    The “source” is Maria’s mother, not any official report.

    Comment by Sandy — April 17, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

  130. what I means to say is that I have a jard time imagining admin/personnel EVER

    Comment by justice4all — April 17, 2008 @ 2:31 pm

  131. working late. Seems to me they finish for the day between 3:30pm and 4pm, depending on where the base is located and other things.

    Comment by justice4all — April 17, 2008 @ 2:33 pm

  132. LTH,

    From the PC by the Marines on 1/15

    @ 19:45 thru 21:25

    NCIS Agent Ciccarelli: Normally, as I expressed last Friday, we do not talk about rape investigations. We feel right now that this would help us with our ongoing investigation right now to help us find the location where Cpl. Laurean is.

    We’re going to provide you with the facts. Just the facts that we received, okay. And, as it was read by Lt. Col. Hill, she had reported on the 11 May date to NCIS that she was raped, okay. She had reported to us that prior to the rape, that in March of 2007, she had a sexual encounter with Cpl. Laurean that was not criminal in nature, okay, it was not criminal in nature. A month later, in April, she reports having a sexual relationship with him on base. It occurred at their duty assignment, the duty office. There was no threat of force, there was no violence involved, there was no coercion, no blackmailing. There was at one point where, during sexual activity, where she asked him to stop, he did stop. This is all information she provided to the case agent. These are the facts that we were presented with. (Question: when did she alledge the rape happened?) That was the second incident. (Question: she called it a rape?)

    http://www.jdnews.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1156002469&bclid=1155200144&bctid=1379594756

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 3:08 pm

  133. LTH, this was in a conversation with Mary, but the MC link seems to confirm it happen.

    Ouote:

    Maria gasped out the words between sobs: “Mom, I was attacked.”

    She didn’t reveal the name of her attacker, only that he was Hispanic, a married man with a child. She said the two Marines had been assigned to night duty together when the man locked all the doors and raped her.

    “Maria, when did that happen?” her mother asked.

    “April 10.”

    “You realize you’ve lost all your evidence now?”

    Then her mother got even more stern with her daughter: “Maria, you have to know you cannot make any false statements because that is one of the worst things you could possibly do. You could ruin somebody’s career, and you won’t be doing yourself any favors either when they find out.”

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/20/ddn012008mariainside.html

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

  134. I believe Maria and her mother and see no reason to discount the article I just posted.

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 3:16 pm

  135. Well, we are just hearing what MARY said. It has been shown time and time again that Mary has very selective memory. It changes from one interview to another. I feel heartfelt sympathy for anyone losing a child or family member.
    What you have to remember is that Maria had proven credibility issues, and I do not see how you can discount that. Seems there is very little that we, the public, can take as gospel. We do not know the whole story yet. Also, many articles have mistakes in them, and most especially the national ones.
    The more reliable sources are right here locally.

    Comment by Sasha — April 17, 2008 @ 3:25 pm

  136. I don’t believe the MC press conference is incorrect in this matter. The second incident occurred at the duty office and that would not have been on day watch. It also matches with Mary’s statement.

    From what I was told, the MC never leaves a duty station unmanned. It is called standing watch.

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 3:38 pm

  137. Whatever.

    Comment by Sasha — April 17, 2008 @ 3:46 pm

  138. Lily, thank you very much for both of the links that you posted above. I read the one and watched most of the other. While watching the one of the MC press conference I noticed that they said that Maria reported both incidents as a sexual assult (not consensual) and that on Nov. 5 she said that she no longer believed that the pregnancy was a result of the alleged assults; that is not the same as is she certain that Cesar is not the father. I also notice in reading the article from the ohio paper that she moved off base in mid october not on Nov. 5 like has been suggested by someone here on OTC. I also saw what you were talking about with the duty. Thanks again.

    Comment by LTH — April 17, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

  139. A duty assignment and duty office is where they were assigned to work every day. Where they performed their duties as United States Marines. Not necessarily where they “stood duty”.

    Comment by Big Frank — April 17, 2008 @ 4:27 pm

  140. Maria moved into Sgt. Durham’s home on November 10th. Her moving off base was not even approved in mid October, SS, SQ., or whoever you are.

    Comment by Sasha — April 17, 2008 @ 4:28 pm

  141. Excuse me – Maria moved into Sgt. Durham’s home on November 5th!

    Comment by Sasha — April 17, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

  142. Sasha is correct, Maria moved off base on November 5th, according to the Marine Corp:

    http://www.jdnews.com/articles/lauterbach_54386___article.html/lcpl_cpl.html

    Comment by JB — April 17, 2008 @ 4:33 pm

  143. YW LTH

    Comment by Lily — April 17, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

  144. # Lily Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Me, in a perfect world things go right. You are not allowed to leave when standing duty. That is a given. In a shop, with no one around, that may happen. Someone may fall asleep on an overnight duty. They may just leave for awhile overnight. Who’s to say that doesn’t happen. It could have.

    Marines are not perfect. They are taken from the human race. A lot of rules can be gotten around.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LILY——— The point is, I believe, that standing duty, working late, is NOT done in the “shop” – in the daily workplace – it’s done in the BARRACKS (sp)!! Military people correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what I understand from your postings.

    So, Lily, Maria and Cesar were NOT working late at the office together. Period.

    Comment by Rita — April 19, 2008 @ 12:05 am

  145. In all probability, Maria did not get pregnant having sex on base. I just think it was through off base activities such as at JREANNA’s where she was supposedly staying some of the time.
    Maria’s idea of rape really may have come through her not being able to give consent such as having drank too much beer or whatever she drank. Remember her MySpace page had originally stated that she loved beer. That was before Mary or either Anne went in and changed it TWICE.

    Comment by Carolyn — April 27, 2008 @ 7:10 am

  146. If Cesar looked at this story, he also saw that Mary Lauterbach had stated that Maria’s biological Dad was thought to have had bipolar disorder. I think that Cesar picked up on the part in this story stating that bipolar used to characterized by extreme mood changes. Cesar stated in his infamous note that Maria had come back to the house acting differently. That was his blast at Maria’s credibility.
    Also the phone had been found and phone recoreds would show a call or calls to his number, as well as reflect any calls he may have made to Maria’s cell.
    Everything was closing in on him and he knew it. There may have been some grains of truth in Cesar’s note, but for the most part, the notes were to benefit Christina because Cesar had no intention of ever being found to face any sort of charges. I think that Cesar wrote exactly what he and Christina dreamed up at the time, and AFTER reading the above referenced story in JDNEWS. Cesar actually may not have left the house until 6:30 AM when Wanda said she saw him in his ‘marine outfit’ at the truck. Still in all, it did give him enough time to get well out of the area before Christina went to authorities on base. However, Christina DID know what Cesar had told her the day before enroute to the lawyer’s office. YET SHE SLEPT IN THE SAME HOUSE WITH HIM. Christina is not the angel that her lawyer and LE is depicting her as.
    I want everyone who even played a small part in this to be charged with something.

    Comment by Carolyn — April 27, 2008 @ 7:39 am

  147. Please excuse the typos!

    Comment by Carolyn — April 27, 2008 @ 7:41 am

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